Curse

«Ripskin · Feb 27, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Well I've been annoyed at all the crappy monks I've played with lately, and thought that this thread might just change the flow of noobiness. And of course I promised my guildies I would put up a guide like this. One thing though, I am not going to post my build, I don't even like telling other people, even in my alliance. But, I've gotten some compliments in my days.

Stuff in this thread-
1. Monking the right way
2. Good skills
3. Bad skills

Monking the Right Way
In this you will learn what's nooby and what's not, how to do things right.

Energy is key
The very first lesson I have to teach, is if you don't lose energy then you wont suck. Period. There are lots of skills out there that manage energy, just find the right one for your build. I personally like Mantra of Resolve, as I can heal and heal and heal for 20 seconds and I suddenly have a fresh burst of energy to heal some more. To put this short, if you have energy, people wont die.

Noone likes a smiter
If you're going to be one of those monks, with 10 in smiting.. 10 in healing.. and 10 in divine prayers... then stop playing now. Smiting is not worth it! It might have some good damage, MIGHT, but wasting an elite slot or any slot will not get a compliment from your group. If you really want to do some damage switch over to Mo/N, and go with Vampiric Gaze or something like that. But Smiting is a huge no-no.

Mo/W
I have played the game with plenty of Mo/Ws, and only a handful of them were all that good.
"If you're pvp, then sure you can go Mo/W, just for sprint to get away"
-STOP-
In PvP it's not like an aggro, they will chase your ass down! 9 seconds is not long enough to run back into defense, and there's still crippled. You also don't have any Energy Management.

Protection
To me, I think protection prayers are one of the most overrated set of skills in the game. Sure you can heal them with 12+ divine prayers, but really, can you get +187 hp with protection? No? didn't think so. Protection is good when it's good, but in PvE, it's a nono. You rely on enchants to heal, and enchants are only that good.
Now don't get me wrong, Protection prayers are great in PvP, but just don't use them in PvE.

Don't be the healer with no party menu...
I swear I've gotten so many of these 'ex-WoWees' that like healing the way they did in the game before. So they like to just watch the characters and click on their names when they think they're hurting. This is just plain dumb.

Watch him...
In every party there's gonna be a wannabe tank, if you see any sign of that, like a sin rushing into every group, have your cursor over his name whenever you can. But they're going to die, it's just a matter of time. And if he dies and yells at you? Yell right back at him. Tell him exactly what he did wrong, and why you can't heal him.

Good Skills
Use them! This is entirely my opinion, if you feel otherwise then say so, no need for flaming.

Healing Prayers
Dwaynas Kiss
Glimmer Of Light [e]
Heal Other
Healing Breeze †
Healing Burst [e]
Healing Hands [e]
Healing Touch †
Jameis Gaze
Light Of Deliverance
Orison Of Healing
Restfull Breeze
Ressurection Chant
Signet Of Rejuvination
Word Of Healing [e]
Words Of Comfort

†These skils are for certain place, like PvP or certain PvE areas.

Divine Favor
All of these are for certain areas.

Divine Boon
Contemplation Of Purity
Divine Spirit
Healers Boon [e]
Holy Haste
Peace And Harmony
Watchful Spirit

Now, I'm not going to do Smiting or Protection because I use neither, but this is a list of the tiny few I do use every now and then.

Smite Hex
Purge Conditions
Martyr [e]

Bad Skills
The crapps, and I'll tell you why too.

Dwaynas Sorrow-You're allys shouldn't die if you're good enough.
Ethereal Light-Big nono, people there's a lot of monk crushers out there and a lot of AoE spammers in PvE.
Gift Of Health-Nope, healing prayers recharge for 6 seconds? gg.
Heal Area-You shouldn't be close to your allys to use this, but good for mms.
Heal Party-BAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH nuff said. Too much energy for too little healing.
Healers Covenent-The - 1-3 energy cost doesn't make up for the lack of 1 energy regen
Healing Ring-see Heal Area
Healing Whisper-Yeah, but no. You have to get close, and it's only 80 health
Infuse Health-What's so great about healing him up and losing 10 energy just to have to heal yourself back up?
Kareis Healing circle-See Heal Area
Live Vicariously-Leave this to farming
Mending-55 and solo warriors should be the only ones using this.
Supportive Spirit-What's the chance of them being knocked down, and you seeing it to use this skill?
Vigorous Spirit-Leave this for tank farming
Aura Of faith-It's okay when you're doing things by yourself, like soloing, but keep it out of PvE
Blessed Aura-Keep it in farming
Blessed Signet-Keep it in farming or bonding, but I don't do Prot, so it sucks to me.
Boon Signet-29 health!?!? Come on if you're carrying this signet then you probably wont be carrying enchants

You might have noticed that I skipped a few spells, and that's because I don't have a preference.

Energy Management isn't a topic really, there aren't any monk skills that give them. So use Mantra Of Resolve! Never leave home without it.

Thankyou for reading as this was my first guide. I hope this helps you on making your new monk, and helps you write your own build good enough to solo precipice with heros.

LightningHell · Feb 27, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by «Ripskin

Energy is key
The very first lesson I have to teach, is if you don't lose energy then you wont suck. Period. There are lots of skills out there that manage energy, just find the right one for your build. I personally like Mantra of Resolve, as I can heal and heal and heal for 20 seconds and I suddenly have a fresh burst of energy to heal some more. To put this short, if you have energy, people wont die.

Presumably you mean Mantra of Recall.

Quote:

Noone likes a smiter
If you're going to be one of those monks, with 10 in smiting.. 10 in healing.. and 10 in divine prayers... then stop playing now. Smiting is not worth it! It might have some good damage, MIGHT, but wasting an elite slot or any slot will not get a compliment from your group. If you really want to do some damage switch over to Mo/N, and go with Vampiric Gaze or something like that. But Smiting is a huge no-no.

On the contrary, I would prefer a Smiting monk than a monk with Vampiric Gaze. And who's to say smiting is useless - see Air of Enchantment/ZF.

Quote:

Mo/W
I have played the game with plenty of Mo/Ws, and only a handful of them were all that good.
"If you're pvp, then sure you can go Mo/W, just for sprint to get away"
-STOP-
In PvP it's not like an aggro, they will chase your ass down! 9 seconds is not long enough to run back into defense, and there's still crippled. You also don't have any Energy Management.

Mo/W is for Shield Bash and Balanced Stance, mostly. I don't get where you got your idea to use...ugh...SPRINT.

Quote:

Protection
To me, I think protection prayers are one of the most overrated set of skills in the game. Sure you can heal them with 12+ divine prayers, but really, can you get +187 hp with protection? No? didn't think so. Protection is good when it's good, but in PvE, it's a nono. You rely on enchants to heal, and enchants are only that good.
Now don't get me wrong, Protection prayers are great in PvP, but just don't use them in PvE.

I don't get this. Zealous Benediction anyone? And that you can splash in Heal for Gift of Health, which is awesome, makes Protection Prayers...well...not "overrated".

And you don't get +187hp, you can get over +200 with ZB, by the way.

Quote:

Don't be the healer with no party menu...
I swear I've gotten so many of these 'ex-WoWees' that like healing the way they did in the game before. So they like to just watch the characters and click on their names when they think they're hurting. This is just plain dumb.

No arguing.

Quote:

Watch him...
In every party there's gonna be a wannabe tank, if you see any sign of that, like a sin rushing into every group, have your cursor over his name whenever you can. But they're going to die, it's just a matter of time. And if he dies and yells at you? Yell right back at him. Tell him exactly what he did wrong, and why you can't heal him.

GG. If I were you, I'd stop healing the guy and let him die/ragequit.

I'm not even going to comment on your skills.

Please revise your game mechanics more before you post guides.

Kuja · Feb 27, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

You are too noob to make a valid post, your assessment of the "bad skills" shows this. I won't go as far as saying that ironically you are the "crappy monk" but yea.... it sounds like a PvE post so w/e.

Wilhelm · Feb 28, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

That post is an absolute disgrace to the Monk Forum.

Bowstring Badass · Feb 28, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Screw you protection monks ftw. Put protective spirit up and spam RoF. Healing breeze a good skill? FFS your a healer not a solo monk. Gift of Health is freaking amazing if your a protection monk. And for energy management GLYPH OF LESSER ENERGY for the f'ing win. Zealous Benediciton anyone? Seriously Infuse Health is amazing for spike teams idiot and MOST repeat MOST infusers bring Zealous Benediction or Light of Deliverance. Restful Breeze dude what are you an idiot? Seriously thats for people who can only use a skill set like every 20 seconds like SP sins. Heal Party + GLYPH OF LESSER = pwnage 5 energy to heal every for about 100 health. Martyr is alright if you don't have a need for any other elite. Leave Purge Conditions to the wamos take dismiss. Peace and Harmony come on what are you smoking shatter enchantment anyone? Come on most mesmers are either carrying shatter or drain. Healing Hands? WTF this is not troll farming.

Come on where is Blessed Light at? Don't care how many people say it sucks but removing a hex and condition for 10 energy is not that bad along with 108 +divine favor health heal is not that bad.

Seriously some of the stuff you said was alright the other stuff was just plain bull crap.

/end rant

Nilator · Feb 28, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Oh my god, it hurts so badly...
Lets review those "bad" skills. I'll go one by one.

Dwaynas Sorrow-You're allys shouldn't die if you're good enough.
-Heard of a MM? Place it on Minions? They die, your party gets healed.
Ethereal Light-Big nono, people there's a lot of monk crushers out there and a
lot of AoE spammers in PvE.
-Good, spammable healing. Monk's shouldn't be taking much damage in PvE, and if they are, they should be kiting.
Gift Of Health-Nope, healing prayers recharge for 6 seconds? gg.
-Very good for a Protection Monk.
Heal Area-You shouldn't be close to your allys to use this, but good for mms.
-MM Party yet again?
Heal Party-BAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH nuff said. Too much energy for too little healing.
-Heal Party is one of the best Monk skills, you can heal 8 people for around 70 Health, try doing that with Orision and come back with results.
Healers Covenent-The - 1-3 energy cost doesn't make up for the lack of 1 energy regen
-Havn't tried this Elite, can't comment.
Healing Ring-see Heal Area
-Same, ^^see Heal Area above.
Healing Whisper-Yeah, but no. You have to get close, and it's only 80 health
-Another good spammable healing spell. Good for healing other casters that should be in the back line anyways.
Infuse Health-What's so great about healing him up and losing 10 energy just to have to heal yourself back up?
-Counter Spike?
Kareis Healing circle-See Heal Area
-Same again, why do you even include Duplicate skills?
Live Vicariously-Leave this to farming
-I used this once on my monk, belongs on a WaMo if anything.
Mending-55 and solo warriors should be the only ones using this.
-Agreed. Except that warrior part.
Supportive Spirit-What's the chance of them being knocked down, and you seeing it to use this skill?
-See "Worst skills thread" this is one of them.
Vigorous Spirit-Leave this for tank farming
-Good to place on warriors, basically heals them when you don't have to do anything.
Aura Of faith-It's okay when you're doing things by yourself, like soloing, but keep it out of PvE
-Good to place on other squishies if you have an "Enchanting" mod.
Blessed Aura-Keep it in farming
-Can be used in conjunction with the many Protection Prayers Enchantments.
Blessed Signet-Keep it in farming or bonding, but I don't do Prot, so it sucks to me.
-Bonding, if you can't or don't bond, YOU shouldn't be a monk.
Boon Signet-29 health!?!? Come on if you're carrying this signet then you probably wont be carrying enchants
-Yet another good Bonder skill. Perfect for the SF tanks to be used on.

The real lack of Protection Prayers is really killing you in the "good" monking.

dgb · Feb 28, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

This monk guide is utterly terrible. Healing prayers are for the most utter shit, protection prayers are utter gold.

Bowstring Badass · Feb 28, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Can we close this before he gets flamed even more?

«Ripskin · Feb 28, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgb

This monk guide is utterly terrible. Healing prayers are for the most utter shit, protection prayers are utter gold.

See this is why I was skeptical about posting a guide. It's not for your benefit, it's for my guilds. And you don't even say why, so worthless post all around. The only thing you did is raise my awareness of 10 year olds on guru, and how stupid children can be.

Edit: (didn't see your post)
Towards Nilator,

I said I don't use protection prayers, which is just about the only thing you say. And you also said that Heal Party is one of the best heals in the game.

LOL

MMs, that's great but is it really worth the energy? And this is for a MONK not a necromancer. Mending on warrior farmers has been around for so long. It works great for adrenaline farming.

EDITEDIT (finished your post)
Protection is fine, but I never use it except when bonding. Oh yeah btw, bonders should be using the bonding elite (life bond I think) not boon signet.

And I don't care if you lock this thread or not, I can take whatever and send it right back at ya.

Bowstring Badass · Feb 28, 2007, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Hey Rip any said you are a moron? You are not smart enough to get that you can heal 8 people (12 in elite missions) for over 100 for 5 enrgy right?

«Ripskin · Feb 28, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuja

You are too noob to make a valid post, your assessment of the "bad skills" shows this. I won't go as far as saying that ironically you are the "crappy monk" but yea.... it sounds like a PvE post so w/e.

Haha didn't see this.

Or this..

Quote:

That post is an absolute disgrace to the Monk Forum.

Thankyou

Now would you like to shut the hell up, stop flaming, get a life, and try to learn something new?

«Ripskin · Feb 28, 2007, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Hey Rip any said you are a moron? You are not smart enough to get that you can heal 8 people (12 in elite missions) for over 100 for 5 enrgy right?

No.

Heal party is 100 health but it's 15 energy. And that's a drain.

«Ripskin · Feb 28, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningHell

GG. If I were you, I'd stop healing the guy and let him die/ragequit.

I'm not even going to comment on your skills.

Please revise your game mechanics more before you post guides.

Lmao I'm even getting flamed by the admin

This just makes me want to stop using guru completely

But, oh wait, yeah, I don't care.

Legendary Shiz · Feb 28, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

LOL did you really put infuse under the bad skills category?!

Trylo · Feb 28, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

at first i thought this was a thread that was dug up from a LOOOOOOONG time ago... but... apparently not?

please dont give advice....ever?

13+ prot = 70+ RoF, 70 health blocked, +70 health, +30-50 DF... yea that just sucks... its kinda like word of healing except faster, less conditional and... just better?

ethereal light + holy haste = gg... only way i would ever use healing...

Bowstring Badass · Feb 28, 2007, 12:49 AM // 00:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by «Ripskin

No.

Heal party is 100 health but it's 15 energy. And that's a drain.

Ever heard of glyph of lesser energy 5 energy 30 sec recharge. Next 2 spells cost 15 less energy.

ss1986v2 · Feb 28, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

if you dont want anyone to say anything about the guide, then why post it?

and heal party is one of the most powerful/efficient heals available. at just 12 healing prayers, its a 67 hp heal. over 8 team members, its a 536 hp heal. it has a higher healing potential per energy use than most monk skills. plus it comes all at once, while spamming a single target heal over the entire team will take far too long.

Ultimate Sacrifice · Feb 28, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Ever heard of glyph of lesser energy 5 energy 30 sec recharge. Next 2 spells cost 15 less energy.

Throw in Healer's Boon and you got an impressive Heal Party

Bowstring Badass · Feb 28, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate Sacrifice

Throw in Healer's Boon and you got an impressive Heal Party

Finally some got the point.

Kuja · Feb 28, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

You get flamed because you are believe you are leading people of out noobiness when you are actually leading them deeper into it with some better but mostly incorrect assesments.